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M74/41/51 (Collecting)
Finally I have found one of these monster rifles for a sensible price (thanks for the heads-up JK 
). It still has the pillar breech intact and a nice rifled barrel. Pics will of course follow once she has made her way across the atlantic and I have given her the once over.
I intend to do a little trial of my two pre-minié rifles to see how they compare, namely this rifle versus an Austrian Kammerbüsche (Delvigne breech). If anyone has the dimensions of the original bullet please please let me know!
p.s Purely for cosmetics, what is the correct socket bayonet for a 74/41/51? It seens to be a bayonet with a spring catch of some sort......
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Congratulations! As you probably know you can use the conical kammerlader ball in the M/1774/41/51 if you plan to shoot it.
For information on the bayonet for this model, see Per Holmbäck's excellent bayonet site. I think the model you need is M/1765-69-74. It may be listed under Danish bayonets. Here you see a M/1774 with fixed bayonet.
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Øyvind F.
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Thanks Oyvind
The thought had occured to me about the kammerlader conical, it has forward facing lube grooves just like the Tamisier pre-minié bullet. Thanks for the link to Tronds site, I had lost it since it was overhauled, now saved in my favourites
I visited Pers' site but was at a loss about which bayonet was correct 
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This would be the correct bayonet for your musket: http://www.holmback.se/bayonets/Notes/dan-Main.html#M1765-69-70
The Norwegian kammerlader bullet was actually based on Tamisier’s bullet. The pillar breech rifles used a slightly different paper cartridge to that of the kammerlader. It had the paper tied to the groove of the bullets. See the first cartridge in the picture below.
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Øyvind F.
M74/41/51
I'll probably need Norwegian help to find one of those! 
Trond probably has them all locked in his bunker 
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Very good Fabian.
There quite a few Norwegians living here in Wisconsin. Perhaps some day I might just find a nice M1821/41/51 for you also.
M74/41/51
Much as I would love to stack up more rifles John, unless this 74/41/51 prooves to be a wallhanger I'll have to pass.
I'll be temporarily halting collecting due to the imminent arrival of baby mkII and the need for a bigger car. The gun fund is thus now becoming the kids fund.
With over 40 original rifles and pistols from matchlock to centerfire to keep me busy, I'll now concentrate on the resoration, researching and shooting what I have, when not changing nappies and paying the bills
So no more new toys but I will be active on the loading/reloading side of our beautiful hobby! 
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M74/41/51
Here she is
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I also pulled the breech plug to be able to clean the pillar properly and measure it to make up a cleaning tool. Since the pillar and rifling are so shiny, I guess it did not see much action after its last conversion.
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The stock had a few non-structural cracks to repair so I stripped the old black paint off which was flaking off anyway and have reapplied some now the repairs are complete. I know it looks very shiny, I still need to dull it it down.
Anyone happen to know what RR20N83 and RITS;COP:N°75 mean?
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M74/41/51
by The Norwegian 
, Vestfold, Monday, May 10, 2010, 23:25 (121 days ago) @ Fabian23
Congratulasjon Fabien.
The M1774/41/41 is in verry good condition, what is the nr one your rifle? My has nr 141.
You asked for the bayonett, i am gonna ask the one that i bught my bayonett from if he got more
I am stil waiting for mine.
I got one as good looking as yours http://gammlevaapen.net/side42.html
But mine is a wall hanger in my collection But i woud werry mutch have a 1821/41/51 in my collection, that is one my priority list.
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Min hjemme side http://www.gammlevaapen.net
Formann i Søndre Vestfold Svartkruttlaug
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Number 248 on the lock, barrel, breechplug, and stock (under the paint). I don't own any wallhangers
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Fabien,
Your rifle looks much better than the pictures of it when it was on the auction site. You did an excellent job restoring it !!!
Best Regards,John
